Sitdown with Blink

Ruby: Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of Ruby Reviews! Tonight, instead of just studying up and doing a full report style deal, I figured I would put my interviewing talents to the test, as interviewer for Kat's Foxy Boxing, and interview the very lovely and incredibly talented Summer Holly Madison, aka Blink, aka Sub Pink Mutt.

Holly: AKA Mommy, in a few months.

Ruby: So you're going with mommy?

Holly: Yes. I don't quite think I'm ready for mom or mother or mama quite yet, and even though I do have a mommy...I think she'd understand I'd like to be called one myself.

Ruby: Fair enough. I have to say though, you look great.

Holly: Thank you.

Ruby: How many months has it been?

Holly: Five and a half. Marie's due date is set for around...mid July.

Ruby: Is that still hopeful thinking? Because I know when you first announced it, is was a little too early to know...

Holly: No, we know for certain now. Its a girl.

Ruby: Congratulations.

Holly: Thank you. I'm really looking forward to the experiences after helping Miss. Chris and Miss. Sasha bring up theirs and getting the frequent opportunities to watch after Miss. Roxi and Miss. Keira's child. It was amazing.

Ruby: Hoping for the best for you in that regard. But how are your other ventures going? How's your webcam series going?

Holly: It's going great. We're still getting a few hundred viewers every night when we're on. I mean, it's not tremendous numbers and Ariel and I knew the audience would taper off as soon as I had to put a pause on my interactions. I mean, there's things I can do but there's a lot I can't do now.

Ruby: Do you miss it?

Holly: I...do. But not in the sense that it's a permanent injury keeping me from doing the things I love. As I said it's just a pause and our fans know that. Once Marie comes into our lives and a few months more have passed and my body can actually sustain the types of things Ariel likes to do to me...we'll resume our show per normal course. Right now it's mostly Ariel and Charlie.

Ruby: The energetic pup.

Holly: Yes, she is incredibly energetic. Every night she wants to try something new.

Ruby: So speaking of new and your series, has all this downtime given you a chance to think of your own ideas?

Holly: In a way, but ideas I'm just running through Ariel first. So I can't really say much here aside from wanting to go to the AVN's this year. Just get out there and make contacts. I mean...I'm a porn star now. Ariel, Charlie, and myself that's what we are and I want to meet others in that world. Make some new friends, maybe some new guests. We've already been invited to a convention in Miami in May, so the three of us will definitely try and get our own booth there. A lot of our fans have been wanting to meet with us so we're hoping this will give them a perfect chance.

Ruby: So you call yourself a porn star now,

Holly: Yes.

Ruby: Was it therefore a shock to get the call from your old wrestling promotion saying you were going into the Hall of Fame?

Holly: It was, it really was. I mean, the last few months of my career were really...nowhere near like the rest.

Ruby: In what way?

Holly: I had met Kat again. Since the first time I met her I kinda had this lingering feeling to get into what she was doing. Long as I've known her she's always been a dominatrix. So when we met up the second time for my wedding we swapped numbers. She said she'd give me a call and I said I'd always be available.

Ruby: How long until she called?

Holly: About...a couple years. She was dating someone and wanted me to come and help her out. I said okay, and next thing I know I'm standing naked in a hotel room with a ballgag in my mouth feeding out lengths of rope. (Laughs) It was...it was something else. And that was the beginning of it.

Ruby: And how were your first experiences?

Holly: Different. Interesting. I couldn't say good or bad, they were...they just were. Pretty soon though I started to get a little more daring with it. Kat worked as my Mistress behind the scenes but with Pet coming into the company, she had a reason to play more in front of FIW cameras and I really wanted in.

Ruby: How did everyone take to it?

Holly: I...think they all hated it. I think they saw what I was doing as being a disservice to what I had accomplished. I mean, since then people have broken all ties with me.

Ruby: How'd that all make you feel?

Holly: Not the best, but I had something else I was starting to enjoy. It didn't bother me to be caught on camera tied up on a giant St. Andrews Cross with a ballgag in my mouth and Kat whipping me with a flogger. It was a rush, I was finally doing what I wanted. Though when I left shortly after there wasn't much fanfair, people have to actually research back to figure out what my last match was, and I had only ever stepped back into the ring one time since then. So I assumed the company itself also wanted little to do with me. So when I got that call it felt all the more special. Because I still respect everything I did. I don't do what I do now to damage my name, I do what I do now because I enjoy it very much.

Ruby: Interesting you would say it was all you doing something you wanted because in your life you've never really had those kinds of opportunities.

Holly: No, and honestly I'm glad Ariel isn't here because she hates hearing about my childhood. But it's true. Growing up I had very little say in what I was doing, in fact I had no say. Looking back on it now I can say it was an abusive childhood.

Ruby: Back then you didn't feel that way?

Holly: It was all I knew. I cooked, I cleaned, I even painted the outside of the house one summer. I never went out, never made friends, I was, um, home schooled by my mother.

Ruby: In what way?

Holly: She taught me how to cook, clean, and things like that. I'm lucky I had my brother because, at times, unbeknownst to my parents he would show me his homework so I could get something more of an education.

Ruby: So you were really hoping he did good.

Holly: Yes. (Laughs) But my parents were very strict. I still remember one time I got distracted while sweeping my father taped the broom to my hands because I had to remember what I was there for.

Ruby: For how long?

Holly: He didn't remove the tape for a couple days.

Ruby: And that was normal to you?

Holly: I...didn't know what else there was. I was raised to believe and I truly did believe that a girls position in life was to do the things I was doing.

Ruby: When did it all change?

Holly: The first time was the moment I mentioned above with the broom taping. I was caught watching this super hero, Power Rangers type show and I remember thinking that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to save people, help people, do whatever I could for people I didn't even know. You know, maybe it was the whole “life lessons” that were engrained into me kicking in a different avenue, but that's what I wanted. But another time I saw my brother watching some wrestling. I only listened, I had learned my lesson about watching anything, so I just listened and all these people cheering, all these wondrous, heroic promos. I knew I couldn't be a real super hero, but I knew I could make a difference there.

Ruby: So what did you do then?

Holly: I told my parents.

Ruby: What did they say?

Holly: That I would fail. That I'd fail miserably and come home crying. But, ultimately, they said I could go. Although, I really think it was more them wanting me to fail just to see how brutal life was outside of the house. That way I'd never want to leave again.

Ruby: And how did you do?

Holly: I failed, just like they said. I failed hard. Never got a footing, didn't win any matches. By my third loss I was ready to go home. I even called and told them they were right and how I'd never leave again and all that. They said they had already arranged a marriage for me and...I said “alright”.

Ruby: Arranged a marriage?

Holly: I think one of my dad's friends. So I'd marry someone about twice my age.

Ruby: And you were okay with it?

Holly: I wasn't okay, I just felt that was the next step in my life. You know, I failed my dream, failed myself, if I'm going to be useful to someone I might as well be a use to my parents. After the phonecall though, like I think it was that night actually, I was found by a woman named Emily. She had seen the show, was a wrestler herself, and felt she needed a student. Of everyone she saw that night she chose me.

Ruby: Because of your athleticism?

Holly: At first I thought that but later, like just a few years later, she told me the only reason she picked me up was because I was so pathetic when she saw me after the show...I'd listen to and accept everything she told me. And I did. I...I really did. I learned from her, mostly while being her practice dummy. She'd compete in some FIW matches and after she won she'd let me attempt a move. I'd hit it then she'd have me raise her arm in victory. Like the spotlight was always to be on her.

Ruby: So it was another abusive relationship?

Holly: Very much so. Again, at the time, I defended her against everyone. I'd even get into arguments with Lady Marie because she'd say how she's always going to hurt me, she's never going to let me shine any brighter than she has and I'd always tell her that I'm learning something. She wasn't beating me, she was correcting me. Lady Marie never liked that, she never liked Emily.

Ruby: How are your feelings toward Emily looking back on all this? Even your parents?

Holly: For one; I technically have no parents. They disowned me when I went back into wrestling. They told me I no longer had a home there, which is funny and I'll get to it in a bit, but they said they were disgusted with me and that if I was going to become a failure I was going to be that on my own.

Ruby: But you made out pretty well for yourself. World champion, Hall of Famer, perhaps the greatest tag team competitor in that company's history.

Holly: Lady Marie and I had an interesting run for the titles. It took about a year or so of infighting between us until we managed to finally focus up our attention on gaining some glory. When we did it didn't last very long, just a little over a month.

Ruby: You held the titles two more times after that with a variety of partners.

Holly: The second reign I...think started with me injured and Lady Marie had just found out she was pregnant with Jayme. So another competitor by the name of Ignacio stepped up for myself first and then Lady Marie later. Then when he disappeared, El Valiente came in and we became Los Luchas for a little while until finally dropping the belts.

Ruby: An amazing feat to say the least. Winning the title with your original partner, holding it with another, and then continuing the reign with a third. All different styles and personalities you had to adjust to.

Holly: Right, but here's the thing. When you look back...Lady Marie and I weren't the most successful tag team. Our reigns by just ourselves were always so short. Combined the two of us probably only held the titles for two months.

Ruby: And then you split shortly after.

Holly: Sort of. It was Lady Marie was going to go single and I was going to tag with the newest Bad Girl, Terri Golde. Unfortunately, another injury sidelined me and Terri came to be a tag team competitor so Lady Marie teamed with her until I came back. Though by then I had already won the Grand Prix and was being pushed myself. Though I think it was more Steele Media, our own bosses, getting behind me and Lady Marie's tendency to do more rants than anything that had FIW want to give me the push first.

Ruby: What's the Grand Prix?

Holly: The Grand Prix is a day long tournament to determine a number one contender to the any title they wanted. It was one of those any time you want the shot, you go and make it. I was kind of fresh in my singles run so I challenged for the second tier title, the Undisputed International Championship. A real mouthful when you have the speech impediment that forces you to break up bigger words.

Ruby: You can get through it now though.

Holly: Before it was just Un-dis-pu...ted until Emily just said “Call it the UIC.” (Laughs)

Ruby: So you challenge for that...

Holly: And I win. I win the title in a triple threat with Billy Walker and Super Kamen Ranger becoming the first competitor in three years to successfully cash in my Grand Prix win.

Ruby: Really?

Holly: Yes. I held the title for just over seven months and it was the first step to building up some confidence in myself. When I first won it though, I went to Lady Marie hoping she wasn't jealous or envious or anything of the sort. She was okay with it, she said her time would come and that I needed now to focus on mine.

Ruby: It did take a while for her time to come though.

Holly: It did but she's finally got a title to call her own and she's rocking it. I don't think she's disgracing it any and it'll definitely be one of those reigns that the next champion will be compared to heavily.

Ruby: Well, let's get back to your first UIC reign because it was a real stepping stone for you.

Holly: It was indeed. After...about a few months or so of holding the title, and remember it's the second tier title, the general manager announces that he's going to retire the Dual Crown title. That's the world title of that company.

Ruby: With no intention of putting anything in its place?

Holly: None. So, quite literally overnight, I go from championing the mid carders to being the face of the entire company. Back then I had real problems with anxiety so you can imagine how I felt that night.

Ruby: Scared, I bet.

Holly: Petrified! I felt like I was going to have a heart attack! But, I had Lady Marie by my side and she basically told me to calm down, that if I was going to be the face of the company then I really shouldn't start by having a heart attack! (Laughs) But I ended up doing what I could with it. It was an interesting situation.

Ruby: But one that really set you up because your next title came only a few months after.

Holly: Right. I had earned a shot at the Dual Crown title against Mungrel sometime after I lost the UIC. I lost that one and later found out...there was very little faith in me to being champion in the first place.

Ruby: What do you mean?

Holly: I mean they thought I didn't act like a champion. I was always apologizing, clearing out of peoples way, I was timid, nervous. I mean I flew clear across the country just to give someone a hug. That's the kind of person I was. I mean, I'd still fly out to hug someone still.

Ruby: But you held the company on your back already.

Holly: I know and that's what angered Lady Marie so much. When she found all that out she made a B-line straight for the offices and I don't really know what was said...but I got the call the next morning “Hey, you're getting a second shot.”

Ruby: Wow. How did that make you feel?

Holly: At first? A little uncertain. I mean, I had my shot and I felt it was time for another person. I mean, it wasn't like I had earned a rematch. And then there was a tournament that I was skipping over as well to determine another number one contender to join me.

Ruby: To freshen things up.

Holly: I believe so, yes. But the match happened, it was triple cage. So that didn't help the nerves. (Laughs) But...I won. I dropped through a cage ceiling but I ultimately came out on top. And while no one's ever told me this? I like to think I set another record that night and one that was never broken ever since.

Ruby: What's that?

Holly: At five-one, a hundred and ten or so pounds...I like to think I was the smallest champion that company ever had. I mean, I could hold the belt up from the end of the strap and it'd stand nearly as tall as me.

Ruby: That's amazing. But that bump you took...

Holly: I think...it was what ultimately cut my career short. I mean I was the champion, I didn't want to just leave, so I just kept going. I just kept going and going and going. All told I held that belt for two hundred and thirty-two days. From someone who wasn't seen as being a potential champion I nearly broke records with that reign. I mean I wasn't the most defending of champions in that time, but I like to think I turned a few heads with that run.

Ruby: But that wasn't the end of it.

Holly: No.

Ruby: Because just a few months after that you're winning the UIC again.

Holly: Yes. Not as impressive a run but...still fun.

Ruby: So when you left Full Intensity Wrestling...

Holly: There wasn't any real fanfair. When Lady Marie and I left, there weren't any hurt feelings or good bye speeches. We just quietly made our way out. I think, well I know in Lady Marie's case it's just she's not a sentimental type of person. I mean, if they made her go out there and thank the fans for their time then...she'd do it.

Ruby: But you didn't get the time?

Holly: I didn't want to. At that point I was actually starting things with Kat and figured no one wanted to hear from me. So I just wanted to leave as quietly as possible. I mean, I did go back to cut that interview, which I was very proud of. Glad I got the opportunity for that. I'm glad it was viewed so many times and I really hope my words inspired those in the back.

Ruby: As great a competitor as you were I'm sure you touched a few hearts. But that wasn't the end of your wrestling career.

Holly: No. Kat actually got a call, this was after her run in Girl Power Wrestling ended, and she was invited into doing this group thing. She was going to be Strife in the Four Horsewomen with Talon, Emma, and Joanna. So she went up there and I sometimes came with her. You know, pink haired girl on a leash next to Candi. Don't cross my Mistress or I'll hurt you. (Laughs) But then it was Kat who suggested I get back in touch with Lady Marie. She was training Zahara at the time and given Kat and Zahara were dating at the time it wasn't very hard.

Ruby: How did she take to your lifestyle? Because watching her train Zahara she didn't seem very fond of Kat.

Holly: Well, she had been there throughout my time with Emily so she didn't want to see me in another, what she took as being, abusive relationship. I mean I was calling her Mistress, she was calling me Holly or slave...it would seem bad to an outsider, but Lady Marie took it especially hard. So she wasn't coming anywhere near what we had planned.

Ruby: What was that?

Holly: An off shoot tag team from the Horsewomen, one where Kat, as Strife, would effectively call the shots. So you can see why Lady Marie didn't want anything there.

Ruby: So, about your career in Visionaries of Wrestling, you started off then as a singles competitor.

Holly: Yes. Not very successful, but I wasn't going to let it stress me out any. I was there to have fun at that point. To get public about my new...hobby, it was at the time. But when they put Kat and I together as a team...we did things that turned a lot of people off but, at the same time, turned me way on.

Ruby: There were definitely some memorable promos. Was there anyone who personally gave you heat for your antics?

Holly: Surprisingly no. But I still know people weren't into seeing the way Kat and I operated.

Ruby: How so?

Holly: Just the interactions. I mean, the way Kat treated me on camera tugging me down by a leash, making me lick her boots, wearing a ballgag or whatever to the ring...it seemed to separate Kat out a lot from the group and, by association, myself. But, we know that once you get to know Kat that just isn't the case. She's a loving wife, tremendous mother, safety and security are her top priorities when it comes to clients. I mean, even I don't even know who she sees and the only times I did know was when she would call me in to assist.

Ruby: She runs her own training ground as well.

Holly: Where Ariel graduated. Now she's taking on clients herself.

Ruby: How's her business?

Holly: There's no Ariel Empire yet...but we'll get there. (Laughs)

Ruby: So you're retired now,

Holly: Yes.

Ruby: Onto other things. Is there anything you regret not doing looking back at your career?

Holly: Actually, there is. A team of Billy Walker and Rurik Krychek, the Good Men, we never got to face them. They were, I mean all told their record was never broken, the longest reigning tag team champions going over a year with the belts beating every team...but never the Bad Girls.

Ruby: Bad Girls versus the Good Men.

Holly: Just writes itself, right? (Laughs) So I really hoped we could have done something there. The other regret is, looking back on it, I never truly settled the score with Emily on how she treated me our entire time together. That woman just vanished from my life entirely and all I have to show for her being with me are a few scars and some scary memories.

Ruby: So how are you feeling now?

Holly: Physically? I'm getting the aches every now and again in my back, but it's for better reasons these days. But I'm living with friends, I'm living close to friends. I mean Miss. Chris, Miss. Sasha have been so amazing to us. Plus having Roxi and Keira so close by and having their trust in me. Jen-Jen and Stacy are both amazing people and I'm glad that any of us could get into the car and be by one another after a single phone call. And actually, Jen-Jen's the one who convinced both Ariel and myself to stay in the Miami area.

Ruby: Really?

Holly: Yeah. One of the things I was eluding to earlier was how Ariel now owns my old family home. My parents, or really ex-parents died about five years ago, and my brother's been looking after the place for a while. Like I said, Ariel hates my childhood and hates that that structure of my absoulte oppression is still up. So, as a Christmas present, she bought it from my brother and we're going down sometime...I think in the fall now, to tear it down.

Ruby: Oh my.

Holly: And initially our thoughts were to rebuild, start something pleasant out of something so horrid. She wanted my time in New Zealand to be happy, cause that's where I grew up so all I have to think back on are my parents. Plus...even when we were dating, Ariel and I never had a place to ourselves. First we're living with Lady Marie and doing the whole Bad Girls reality series thing, then we're moving in with Kat to enter that sort of life. Then after that we're with Miss. Chris and Miss. Sasha so while we have a home on their property, we've never actually owned our own place to live and that's what we started talking about.

Ruby: Did you tell anyone about this?

Holly: No. As a matter of fact, Jen-Jen was the first person I pitched this all to. I mean, I didn't want to tell anyone until Ariel and I absolutely knew what we wanted. So this is probably the first time Miss. Chris and Miss. Sasha are even hearing about this. But she reminded me that this is where my family is, this is where my friends are.

Ruby: So she convinced you to stay?

Holly: She did and I'm happier now about that. It's one of the reasons both she and Stacy were chosen as godparents. Because I trust them, I trust that they know what's best for others before themselves.

Ruby: Glad you're sticking around then. Though, to wrap things up, anything you want to advertise?

Holly: Sub Pink Mutt. We're on our own site now, so we're not being cramped with our timeslot. We're on every single night doing what we can to keep our fans entertained.

Ruby: Do you think those you competed with watch?

Holly: Oh...I know some do. But those are the ones who got to know me after I got into this life. So it's probably not as surprising to them to see me with a tail plug or a ball gag. Everyone else...they just know me as the timid, mousey girl out of small town Lawrence, New Zealand who rose up to become champion.

Ruby: I think after a single show...

Holly: Yeah. Or just me saying I've got nine piercings now and in public...you can only see five of them. (Laughs)

Ruby: That would definitely do it. Well, it's been great talking with you, Holly, I'm sure you're going to make a wonderful mother and I hope the best for you in your Sub Pink Mutt series.

Holly: Thank you.